Velofel za nothing special and you know nothing to kind of write home about it's definitely there definitely noticeable but it's not zoned in dialed in tight mental focus by any stretch of the imagination the energy the overall feeling of this Rhino putting aside all of those effects that we just spoke about the energy that you get from the Rhino the overwhelming feeling is a very potent very strong pre-workout the problem with it is it doesn't last very long and I've used I've been through almost an entire tub now of rhino and the reason why I've waited so long to shoot this Royal